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Lesson 2: More Challenging Ratio Problems

In this Grade 4 lesson from AoPS Introduction to Algebra, students work through advanced ratio problems by learning to distinguish between part-to-whole and part-to-part ratios and setting up correct algebraic equations. Using problems from MATHCOUNTS and AMC competitions, students practice cross-multiplying, solving two-variable linear equations, and finding ratios like x/y from complex expressions. The lesson emphasizes checking answers and recognizing when ratios apply even in problems that don't initially appear ratio-based.

Section 1

Solving Ratio Problems with Changing Quantities

Property

If two quantities AA and BB are in the ratio a:ba:b, we can express them as A=akA = ak and B=bkB = bk. When the quantities change by amounts xx and yy respectively, a new ratio c:dc:d is formed. This relationship can be modeled with the equation:

A+xB+y=ak+xbk+y=cd\frac{A+x}{B+y} = \frac{ak+x}{bk+y} = \frac{c}{d}

Examples

  • The ratio of apples to bananas is 2:32:3. After adding 5 apples and 5 bananas, the new ratio is 3:43:4. The original number of fruits can be found by solving 2k+53k+5=34\frac{2k+5}{3k+5} = \frac{3}{4}, which gives k=5k=5. Thus, there were originally 2(5)=102(5)=10 apples and 3(5)=153(5)=15 bananas.
  • The number of boys and girls in a club are in the ratio 7:47:4. When 11 more boys and 11 more girls join, the ratio becomes 4:34:3. To find the original number of members, we set up the equation 7k+114k+11=43\frac{7k+11}{4k+11} = \frac{4}{3}. Solving this yields k=11k=11, so there were originally 7(11)=777(11)=77 boys and 4(11)=444(11)=44 girls.

Explanation

This skill addresses ratio problems where the initial quantities undergo a change. By representing the original amounts with a common multiplier, kk, we can set up an algebraic equation for the "after" scenario. Solving this equation for kk allows us to determine the original quantities. This method is often called a "before and after" problem and is a powerful way to handle dynamic ratio situations.

Section 2

Finding Ratios from Linear Equations

Property

If two variables xx and yy are related by the equation ax=byax = by, where aa and bb are non-zero constants, their ratio is given by:

xy=ba\frac{x}{y} = \frac{b}{a}

This means the ratio x:yx:y is equal to b:ab:a.

Examples

  • If 5a=8b5a = 8b, then the ratio of aa to bb is ab=85\frac{a}{b} = \frac{8}{5}, or a:b=8:5a:b = 8:5.
  • Given the equation 3x4y=03x - 4y = 0, we can rearrange it to 3x=4y3x = 4y. The ratio of xx to yy is xy=43\frac{x}{y} = \frac{4}{3}, or x:y=4:3x:y = 4:3.
  • If 12p=34q\frac{1}{2}p = \frac{3}{4}q, then the ratio of pp to qq is pq=3/41/2=34×21=64=32\frac{p}{q} = \frac{3/4}{1/2} = \frac{3}{4} \times \frac{2}{1} = \frac{6}{4} = \frac{3}{2}.

Explanation

This skill involves rearranging a linear equation with two variables to find the ratio between them. To find the ratio xy\frac{x}{y} from an equation like ax=byax = by, you can isolate the fraction xy\frac{x}{y} by dividing both sides of the equation. First divide by yy, and then divide by aa to find the resulting numerical ratio. This technique is useful for working backwards from an equation to the ratio it represents, a common step in solving complex ratio problems.

Section 3

Solving Chained Ratio Problems

Property

For chained ratios where a:b=m:na:b = m:n and b:c=p:qb:c = p:q, set up the system:

ab=mn and bc=pq\frac{a}{b} = \frac{m}{n} \text{ and } \frac{b}{c} = \frac{p}{q}

To find a:b:ca:b:c, make the bb values equal by finding a common multiple.

Section 4

Ratio of Clock Hand Speeds

Property

The ratio of the angular speed of a clock''s minute hand to its hour hand is 12:112:1. This is because the minute hand completes a full 360360^\circ rotation in 60 minutes (a speed of 66^\circ per minute), while the hour hand completes a 360360^\circ rotation in 12 hours or 720 minutes (a speed of 0.50.5^\circ per minute).

Speed of minute handSpeed of hour hand=6/min0.5/min=121 \frac{\text{Speed of minute hand}}{\text{Speed of hour hand}} = \frac{6^\circ/\text{min}}{0.5^\circ/\text{min}} = \frac{12}{1}

Examples

  • In the time it takes the hour hand to move 55^\circ, the minute hand moves 12×5=6012 \times 5^\circ = 60^\circ.
  • At 3:00, the hands are 9090^\circ apart. To find when they will next coincide, we solve for the time tt in minutes when the minute hand has "caught up" the 9090^\circ lead plus the distance the hour hand has moved. The relative speed of the minute hand to the hour hand is 60.5=5.56 - 0.5 = 5.5^\circ per minute. The time taken is t=905.5/min=18011t = \frac{90^\circ}{5.5^\circ/\text{min}} = \frac{180}{11} minutes.

Explanation

This skill applies ratio concepts to the proportional movement of clock hands. The minute hand moves 12 times faster than the hour hand. Understanding this constant 12:112:1 speed ratio is key to solving problems about the relative positions of the hands. By calculating the angular speeds of each hand, you can set up equations to determine when the hands will align, be opposite, or form a specific angle.

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Chapter 6: Ratios and Percents

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    Lesson 1: Basic Ratio Problems

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  3. Lesson 3

    Lesson 3: Conversion Factors

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    Lesson 4: Percent

  5. Lesson 5

    Lesson 5: Percentage Problems

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Section 1

Solving Ratio Problems with Changing Quantities

Property

If two quantities AA and BB are in the ratio a:ba:b, we can express them as A=akA = ak and B=bkB = bk. When the quantities change by amounts xx and yy respectively, a new ratio c:dc:d is formed. This relationship can be modeled with the equation:

A+xB+y=ak+xbk+y=cd\frac{A+x}{B+y} = \frac{ak+x}{bk+y} = \frac{c}{d}

Examples

  • The ratio of apples to bananas is 2:32:3. After adding 5 apples and 5 bananas, the new ratio is 3:43:4. The original number of fruits can be found by solving 2k+53k+5=34\frac{2k+5}{3k+5} = \frac{3}{4}, which gives k=5k=5. Thus, there were originally 2(5)=102(5)=10 apples and 3(5)=153(5)=15 bananas.
  • The number of boys and girls in a club are in the ratio 7:47:4. When 11 more boys and 11 more girls join, the ratio becomes 4:34:3. To find the original number of members, we set up the equation 7k+114k+11=43\frac{7k+11}{4k+11} = \frac{4}{3}. Solving this yields k=11k=11, so there were originally 7(11)=777(11)=77 boys and 4(11)=444(11)=44 girls.

Explanation

This skill addresses ratio problems where the initial quantities undergo a change. By representing the original amounts with a common multiplier, kk, we can set up an algebraic equation for the "after" scenario. Solving this equation for kk allows us to determine the original quantities. This method is often called a "before and after" problem and is a powerful way to handle dynamic ratio situations.

Section 2

Finding Ratios from Linear Equations

Property

If two variables xx and yy are related by the equation ax=byax = by, where aa and bb are non-zero constants, their ratio is given by:

xy=ba\frac{x}{y} = \frac{b}{a}

This means the ratio x:yx:y is equal to b:ab:a.

Examples

  • If 5a=8b5a = 8b, then the ratio of aa to bb is ab=85\frac{a}{b} = \frac{8}{5}, or a:b=8:5a:b = 8:5.
  • Given the equation 3x4y=03x - 4y = 0, we can rearrange it to 3x=4y3x = 4y. The ratio of xx to yy is xy=43\frac{x}{y} = \frac{4}{3}, or x:y=4:3x:y = 4:3.
  • If 12p=34q\frac{1}{2}p = \frac{3}{4}q, then the ratio of pp to qq is pq=3/41/2=34×21=64=32\frac{p}{q} = \frac{3/4}{1/2} = \frac{3}{4} \times \frac{2}{1} = \frac{6}{4} = \frac{3}{2}.

Explanation

This skill involves rearranging a linear equation with two variables to find the ratio between them. To find the ratio xy\frac{x}{y} from an equation like ax=byax = by, you can isolate the fraction xy\frac{x}{y} by dividing both sides of the equation. First divide by yy, and then divide by aa to find the resulting numerical ratio. This technique is useful for working backwards from an equation to the ratio it represents, a common step in solving complex ratio problems.

Section 3

Solving Chained Ratio Problems

Property

For chained ratios where a:b=m:na:b = m:n and b:c=p:qb:c = p:q, set up the system:

ab=mn and bc=pq\frac{a}{b} = \frac{m}{n} \text{ and } \frac{b}{c} = \frac{p}{q}

To find a:b:ca:b:c, make the bb values equal by finding a common multiple.

Section 4

Ratio of Clock Hand Speeds

Property

The ratio of the angular speed of a clock''s minute hand to its hour hand is 12:112:1. This is because the minute hand completes a full 360360^\circ rotation in 60 minutes (a speed of 66^\circ per minute), while the hour hand completes a 360360^\circ rotation in 12 hours or 720 minutes (a speed of 0.50.5^\circ per minute).

Speed of minute handSpeed of hour hand=6/min0.5/min=121 \frac{\text{Speed of minute hand}}{\text{Speed of hour hand}} = \frac{6^\circ/\text{min}}{0.5^\circ/\text{min}} = \frac{12}{1}

Examples

  • In the time it takes the hour hand to move 55^\circ, the minute hand moves 12×5=6012 \times 5^\circ = 60^\circ.
  • At 3:00, the hands are 9090^\circ apart. To find when they will next coincide, we solve for the time tt in minutes when the minute hand has "caught up" the 9090^\circ lead plus the distance the hour hand has moved. The relative speed of the minute hand to the hour hand is 60.5=5.56 - 0.5 = 5.5^\circ per minute. The time taken is t=905.5/min=18011t = \frac{90^\circ}{5.5^\circ/\text{min}} = \frac{180}{11} minutes.

Explanation

This skill applies ratio concepts to the proportional movement of clock hands. The minute hand moves 12 times faster than the hour hand. Understanding this constant 12:112:1 speed ratio is key to solving problems about the relative positions of the hands. By calculating the angular speeds of each hand, you can set up equations to determine when the hands will align, be opposite, or form a specific angle.

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Chapter 6: Ratios and Percents

  1. Lesson 1

    Lesson 1: Basic Ratio Problems

  2. Lesson 2Current

    Lesson 2: More Challenging Ratio Problems

  3. Lesson 3

    Lesson 3: Conversion Factors

  4. Lesson 4

    Lesson 4: Percent

  5. Lesson 5

    Lesson 5: Percentage Problems